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I was reading the survey results and was intrigued at the forgiving nature of the Chinese tractor owner. I counted 4 broken steering knuckles/arms, but there was only one real complainer in the bunch. Those 4 broken steering parts seemed to be the most serious problems and there where a great number of smaller problems. Even if I saved 50% by purchasing a Chinese tractor instead of a domestic brand, I would expect a little better quality than what is being portrayed by this small sample on this survey.

Brent

Maverick Chinese tractor
Tractor Projects
Replies 8 Post by Brent Pepper

The YM1610 is a grey market Yanmar that does not have a built in over run coupler on the PTO. While yes you can shift into neutral, reverse, or a forward gear without the PTO stopping, if you press the clutch, the PTO will stop.

Brent

question about yanmar 1610
Yanmar Tractors
Replies 13 Post by Brent Pepper

You will be hard pressed to find a tractor with a loader for $3000. Even in the grey market - market. The greys are fine tractors and depending on the brand, parts are not that hard to find. Like someone mentioned in an earlier post, FEL's usually cost anywhere from $2K to $3K. About the least expensive grey market I sell is around $2500 and that is an 18hp 2 wheel drive. Add the loader price to that and you are around $5000. For a tractor that small you really need it to be 4WD to work well with a loader, but that is a can of worms that has been opened here before. Even a JD650 in 4WD with a loader is going for more than that these days. Good luck in your search.

Brent

Used compact
Operating and Attachments
Replies 9 Post by Brent Pepper

Your local Kubota probably won't support it. The Zen-Noh is what is known as a grey market tractor. Some of them were identical to the ones imported and sold as new Kubotas but with different model numbers. Some of the tractor are not like ones sold here in the U.S.. Kubota has been very clear about there position on the grey markets, they will not support them. One dealer told me that they were told if a Kubota rep found one in their shop they would lose their dealership. I don't know how much truth there is in that statement, but Kubota did file a lawsuit to keep the grey market Kubotas from being imported and that is a fact.

Brent

kubota or what
Kubota Tractors
Replies 8 Post by Brent Pepper

How did you check the glow plugs? Are you sure they are working? When you shut the engine off, is it difficult to restart? Don't use either to try to start it. I know a lot of people do use either, but it is not good for the smaller diesel engines.

Brent

MF 205-4
Other Tractor Brands
Replies 15 Post by Brent Pepper

The Hinomoto E182 is a very close match to the 205 2WD. I don't know about the loaders. I have put loaders built for 1030 MF's on 2304 Hino's and the only difference was the front mounting bracket holes. I don't know if you would be real happy with a loader on a two wheel drive tractor that small. There has been many discussions about the effectiveness of compact 2WD tractors with loaders.

Massey-Ferguson Hinomoto models
Website Operations Howto
Replies 2 Post by Brent Pepper

Mine did exactly the same thing. On my tractor when you turned the switch to the "ON" position it automatically lit the glow plugs(a light would come on) for a certain amount of time and then turn them off(light went out). The light worked like normal but the plugs were shot. I called the local Massey dealer and disribed the problem and he told me without hesitation it was the switch. Yours could be a different problem. It is kind of hard to experinment your way to solution when when the outcome is 3 burnt out glow plugs each time you are wrong.

Tractor Burning Out Glow Plugs
Kubota Tractors
Replies 12 Post by Brent Pepper

It sounds like you have one of the grey market type tillers that came from Japan on the back of a Yanmar or other brand Japanese tractor. The outboard wheels and steering wheel type adjuster give it away. There is nothing wrong with these tillers but there are some modifications you might have to do to make it work. First off those tillers don't use a normal toplink on the 3 point hitch and if you try to use one, the tiller will probably rub your back tires. I usually extend the lower lift pins on the tiller 6 inches forward so that a regular toplink can be used. E-mail me at tractors4u@hotmail.com and I will send you some pictures of my modifications.

Brent

help to ID a tiller and pto shaft questions
Operating and Attachments
Replies 2 Post by Brent Pepper

Is the PTO shaft about an inch in diameter with real small splines, I believe about 18 real small splines? Does it rotate counterclockwise? Some older Kubotas, Satohs, and small grey market tractors had a small counterclockwise rotating PTO shaft. I heard that Woods builds finish mowers for these tractors.

Brent

RE Shibaura SU1341 4x4
Shibaura
Replies 2 Post by Brent Pepper

I have split a number of Yanmar tractor to unstick clutches, but they were always the main clutch since the grey markets do not have PTO clutches. The last one took me 3 hours and 55 minutes from first bolt to last. It is important that you block the engine over the front axle. Usually a couple of wooden wedges do the trick. I use a roll around floor jack under the front and a bottle jack under the rear. Double check that everything is disconnect before you pull the halves apart. All the wires from the alternator, the hydraulic lines from the pump, the fuel line from the tank, and that little pesky vent tube line that I forgot the last time.

Stuck Clutch on JD 950
Parts and Repair
Replies 5 Post by Brent Pepper

The 1125 is made by Iseki. I would say it is comparable to the JD4100 sizewise. The 4100 may be a little larger. $8500 seems kind of high for one that size with 900+ hours. Other than 4WD does it have anything with it? Loader, Mower, etc?

Brent

MF 1125
Massey Ferguson Tractors
Replies 3 Post by Brent Pepper

Vince,

Usually when someone inquires about their grey market tractor in regards to the year model and such I have the unpleasant duty of telling them that their tractor is much older. Not this time! Your tractor was actually built in 1984 & 1985. The displacement of the engine is 954cc. That may help you a little more in finding an engine crossover. Also, you may want to check out the Yahoo Grey Market Tractor Club for help/info. There is a Yahoo Shibaura club but is not very active.

Brent Pepper

Shibaura SP 1740
Shibaura
Replies 6 Post by Brent Pepper

I know of OK Tractor in Newton NC, but I don't know about Raliegh. If you find a dealer, especially if they import the tractor themselves, they will have parts. Of all of the tractor and tillers that I have sold, I have yet to have anyone break anything other than a U joint on a PTO shaft. When the tillers come in if they are in too bad of shape they are usually scraped for parts, especially the tines.

These tillers any good - with URL this time
Operating and Attachments
Replies 6 Post by Brent Pepper

Actually the early Massey compacts were built by Hinomoto/Toyosha. Allis Chalmer/Duetz Allis also sold Hinomoto tractors. Currently Massey's compact line is built by Iseki as are the new AGCO Allis compacts and the old White and Bolens compact diesels. I believe that Massey made the switch around 1990 give or take a year. At one time Iseki built tractors that used Mitsubishi and Isuzu diesel engines. I think all of the new Isekis have Iseki engines in them, but I am not sure.

Brent

Case 1130
Case
Replies 8 Post by Brent Pepper

When you talk about 2WD tractors with FELs that were sold years ago, you have to remember that most of them were BIG HEAVY tractors, not 2000-3000 pound compact tractors. Even an MF231 that would have been considered a small tractor 20 years ago would be a big tractor compared with todays compact tractor. Yes a loader will work with a 2WD compact, but just not as well as a 4WD compact.

Brent

Loaders and 2wd tractors
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 14 Post by Brent Pepper

Paul, you can get the filters you need for your 184 by buying filters for a Massey Ferguson MF205. They were built by Toyosha/Hinomoto and used the same engine. Really the only mechanical difference was the rear end and it did not have live PTO. I really like the looks of the 182 and 184, the 205 is butt ugly next to a 184.

tractor parts manual and filter numbers
Hinomoto
Replies 8 Post by Brent Pepper

The DA5220, Massey 1030, and Hinomoto E2304 & 2302 were built by Hinomoto/Toyosha and all had the same engine. They were pretty much the same tractors with the exception of the tranny and PTO. If you can't find one for a 5220, one for a 1030 might fit. The only problem I had was that the bolt holes for the front mount did not match up perfectly to the Hinomoto when using a kit for a 5220.

Loader info for Deutz-Allis 5220 4wd
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 5 Post by Brent Pepper

Steve,

I have mounted loaders to Hinomoto E2304's which are essentially the same as the 1030. It is very important that you use a counter weight on the rear so as not to put too much of a load on the front wheels/gears.

1030 Massey Ferguson
Massey Ferguson Tractors
Replies 9 Post by Brent Pepper

The larger Masseys are built in England and I believe some are built in Poland. The compact Masseys, 1250's and such are still built in Japan by Iseki.

Who really makes them
Parts and Repair
Replies 12 Post by Brent Pepper

I just tuned in Jerri! The E14 will not be as easy to get parts for as others. Why? There are two ways to get parts: 1. All of the Yanmars are fairly easy to get parts for due to their popularity, so there are a lot of them. 2. Or if a tractor has an American cousin, one that was sold in the U.S. as a domestic brand and one that is close enough to the American version to be able to get parts for at a dealership. The E14D was never sold in an American version. The Hinomoto C144 is the later model and was sold as the Massey 1010. It also had a three cylinder engine. The Hinomoto C174 was sold as the Allis Chalmers 5015. These are two that are close to the same size as the E14D. Also finding a loader to fit the two later mentioned tractors should be easier since they sold over here and I believe loaders were options. Sorry to be so long.

Brent

ROPS
Hinomoto
Replies 6 Post by Brent Pepper